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  Exactly how many different views of Jesus are there on the Board and doesn't that kind of tell Believers the obvious problem...

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  designs

  There is nothing new, or novel about your question.

  Mat 16:13

  Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?" 14 And they said, "Some say John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets." 15 He *said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" 16 Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." 17 And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

  Who do you say that he is?

  I'm praying for ya buddy.

  A Presbyterian believes in the intermediate state and then the final state of his/her resurrection is to be with Jesus on Earth, a Lutheran rejects the idea of a return to earth and accepts only the idea of eternity with Jesus in Heaven: all, supposedly, from the one same Jesus, but in reality that's two different ideas unless you want to accept Jesus as telling two different church groups differing stories.

  You are indeed very confused. Among Christians there is room for debate over issues like this.

  You're still thinking like a JW. Being uniform in belief, doesn't make you more likly to be right.

  Among Christians this is a secondary issue. I would gladly accept people of both of these beliefs as brothers in Christ. They aren't talking about a different Jesus.

  If I have misunderstood some minor details of the bible and the law (and I'm sure I have), Christ's work and God's grace is more than enough.
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  What say you Christians ???

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  it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

  is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

  all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

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  Psac

  or that rejection is already predestined?

  And just for the record, I believe God creates unbelievers.
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  What say you Christians ???

  by wobble in

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  it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

  is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

  all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

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  Psac

  Do you believe that a person can reject God? or that rejection is already predestined?

  How do you define unbeliever?

  Don't all unbelievers NATURALLY reject God?
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  What say you Christians ???

  by wobble in

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  it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

  is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

  all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

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  godrulz

  What IS your point? Using your logic, why should I have a choice to marry, love or hate God, etc. if an aborted fetus or puppy does not?

  I asked you a question about your "logic". I made no statement or claim. You claim men (humans) have free will to "chose" God. I'm asking about babies, they are humans, yet, you claim they have no free will to chose God.
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  What say you Christians ???

  by wobble in

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  it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

  is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

  all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

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  godrulz

  I am not sure what your point is?

  You know exactly what my point is. Adults get to (have free will) "choose", babies don't. If babies don't get a choice why should you?
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  The Christian Onslaught

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  *sigh* i have been noticing lately there are a number of groups of "christians" signing up as members of this forum, with the obvious agenda of gaining converts for their own cult-like religions.

  i have been wondering things like:.

  hmmm...maybe i'll try ignoring them.. thank you simon for the space to vent.. satinka.

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  jgnat

  Deputy Dog, you scamp, laying another label at my feet. LOL.

  I thought you'd get a "kick" outa that. I hope you get my point.

  We all, (you included, in your... sly little way) argue about the sovereignty of God, and the basis by which God judges and accepts us. Just don't forget about the 4 fingers pointing back at you when you scold the other Christians on this board. I'm sure they feel as led by God as you do.
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  What say you Christians ???

  by wobble in

  1. watchtower
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  it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

  is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

  all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

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  godrulz

  The age of accountability would vary with individuals.

  Regarding the "age of accountability" are you a Calvinist when it come to those who die before that age (whatever it is)?
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  The Christian Onslaught

  by satinka in

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  *sigh* i have been noticing lately there are a number of groups of "christians" signing up as members of this forum, with the obvious agenda of gaining converts for their own cult-like religions.

  i have been wondering things like:.

  hmmm...maybe i'll try ignoring them.. thank you simon for the space to vent.. satinka.

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  Debates regarding ..., who or who will not enter heaven, are pointless. God knows.

  Wow! jgnat a hyper-Calvinist.
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  May 21, 2011 - The Rapture Cometh!

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  harold camping has promised that the rapture will be on may 21, 2011.. .

  they've put it on this van that "the bible guarantees it", so it must be true!.

  after all, would this face lie?.

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  A friend of mine who works with a JW, says the guy (JW) was mocking Harold Camping in front of all his coworkers, until my friend reminded him of 1914 with his copy of "THE TIME IS AT HAND".
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  How evangelicals and Witnesses are alike

  by jgnat in

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  both believe in the inerrancy of the bible (psalms 12:6, 119:89, proverbs 30:5-6, 2 timothy 3:16-17, 2 peter 1:20-21, rev 22:18-19) and in their absolute correct interpretation.both believe that the other is apostate (2 thessalonians 2:3-4).both believe that the others doctrine is influenced by the devil (genesis 3:1-15, john 8:44).both believe the other is condemned for their false beliefs (2 peter 2:1-3, 1 timothy 4:1-3, 2 timothy 2:16-19, hebrews 6:4-8).neither would darken the door of the others sanctuary, for fear of contamination.both would avoid casual association (proverbs 13:20, 1 corinthians 5:11, 15:33), and certainly would not marry the other (2 corinthians 6:14).both believe that armageddon is imminent and look forward to the purified world afterwards.both consider that the highest form of charity is to convert another.

  practical works like feeding the poor are considered inferior.more?

  can we make it a dozen (a more perfect number)?.

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  jgnat

  *ahem* "Believe in Jesus and you will be saved" is a doctrine. You and DD judge who is "in" and "out" based on this.

  I'll just speak for myself. I don't know who believes that now, or who will believe that in the future. That's up to God. I only know about myself. I believe that those who confess Christ are saved, yes. The bible says God judges based on faith in Christ, yes.

  Terra Incognita I'm speaking about what most of the evangelicals, are taught in their churches. There are individuals who attend them with all sorts of beliefs. Deputy Dog; it is obvious to anyone who has associated with Pentecostals and Baptists, as I have, that lack of belief in certain doctrines would indicate a lack of salvation. Would you believe that a person who "has accepted Jesus Christ as his Savior" will really be saved if . . .

  • He does not believe in the Trinity?
  • Or in Hell as a place of eternal torment or alienation from God?
  • Believes in spontaneous evolution in which God simply created the raw materials of the Universe and left them alone to spontaneously evolve; without further guidance from the moment of the Big Bang?
  • Believes that Jesus came to North America, after his resurrection, in order to convert the native population?
  • Doesn't believe himself that these beliefs, just mentioned, have to be accepted in order to be saved?

  Those "beliefs" won't condemn anyone, as sinners we are condemned already. If and when they come to Christ, they may continue to believe some of those things. Unlike the JWs, I can see how a person could hang on to some of them and still believe the essentials.